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We were there for your protection and a good job was done with the amount of fence jumpers and tents that were robbed were down on last year. Security were lookingf for wristbands and if they didnt have one they were ejected from site but even then we were amazed that one guy said it upset him that were throwing people of site for not paying and that we should leve them on.
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I think you'll find there somewhere in the region or twice to ten times the amount of fence jumpers and robberies than last year.

And please dont say there would have been a hell of a lot more.

I'd like to also know on whos behalf you speaking?

railway raver wrote:I think you'll find there somewhere in the region or twice to ten times the amount of fence jumpers and robberies than last year.

Utter hogwash.

There were far fewer fencejumpers - and robberies - than last year.

I dont agree, I've heard a lot more reports, and I dont believe one of them , but where theres smoke there is fire , and where there is more smoke there is more fire.

railway raver wrote:where theres smoke there is fire

That phrase has been responsible for more miscarriages of justice than anything else. It's the favourite standby of any weak prosecution case. I've spoken to Paddy Hill (of Birmingham 6 fame) a few times, so you've managed to push one of my buttons there.

Hearsay is only hearsay.

No-one has any precise figures because they haven't been centrally logged as far as I'm aware. However, most people say that the robberies were mainly in the area near the ID Spiral. We camped there both last year and this year. Last year, all of our group had their tents rifled through (although fortunately none of us left any valuables in our tents), as had just about everyone else in that area. This year, none of our tents were touched.

Last year, the dance tents were seriously overcrowded with chavs by the Saturday night. This year they weren't. I was with Pablo Essexbar and his gf in the breaks tent on the Friday night and we were very concerned when we saw a number of obvious fencejumpers pouring in (I think it was a couple of dozen in total). But we also noted there was no sign of them the following day after the big purge on non-wristband wearers had been carried out. I didn't see any obvious fencejumpers (tracksuits, no wristbands) at all the following night.

That's all anecdotal evidence - but probably closer to the truth than the makey-uppy figures being bandied around.

none of our tents were touched and i didn't see anything suspicious. not that i'd ever leave anything valuable in there without me, but i have to admit if i woke up 'not alone' there'd be unpleasantries exchanged.
and if there were more fence jumpers this year, the lack of glastonbury this year always meant there might be more people trying it, so generally more suceeding.. my oxfam girly heard they'd stopped around 400 trying to get in. which isn't bad.

always difficult to separate rumour from truth - i saw nothing untoward, and in fact we were sat happily forging splifs on a few occasions when security walked by our camp, and neither us or them batted an eyelid...but the some of the accounts on here upset me a wee bit.

can anyone confirm if naked red guy was thrown out? i do hope not. ;/

There was thousands more people at this years Glade so maybe thieving went up in proportion to those numbers. I certainly heard of more people saying that they had had they're tent robbed this year.

The security firms certainly seemed more profesional (and scary) than last years lot. There was talk of last year there being a lot of trouble with the local travelers (pikeys - for the non pc brigade !) and certainly Stuart security looked like they would be able to handle themselves, which surely is what we want in a security firm - no point in having a bunch of 7 stone weaklings is there?

On the way in on Thursaday a friend was searched, they found a small stash of weed and let her keep it as it was just 'percy' - fair play to them.

On Saturday our little camp was approached by 2 security asking us if we 'had anything the we shouldn't?' as they'd been tipped off that we were selling pills. We assured them that we had everything we should have (t'was so difficult not to take the piss at this point!) and that if anything we were looking to buy some pills. We had a chat for a couple of minutes before they left. A couple of minutes later they nabbed a guy who was serviing up a few tents away (wish we had of known!). All of their behaviour was conducted in a polite and profesional manner, they were meatheads but in my dealings with them they were polite meatheads.

On Sunday I saw a security guy grab someone by the origin stage who didn't have a wrist band on, then they let him go! Personally I think he should have been booted out - I don't like fence jumpers.

What did piss me off about them though was the way they drove about the place in those poxy vans all the time - the lights hurt my eyes! They vibe generally from the security did get worse and more intimidating as the weekend went on, if it's true that they were nicking peoples drugs then I can imagine that a load of coked up, tired meatheads in positions of power is never going to a good thing. Maybe they should have had to pop the odd pill every now and then to get into the spirit of things.

DBM wrote:

railway raver wrote:where theres smoke there is fire

That phrase has been responsible for more miscarriages of justice than anything else. It's the favourite standby of any weak prosecution case. I've spoken to Paddy Hill (of Birmingham 6 fame) a few times, so you've managed to push one of my buttons there.

Hearsay is only hearsay.

No-one has any precise figures because they haven't been centrally logged as far as I'm aware. However, most people say that the robberies were mainly in the area near the ID Spiral. We camped there both last year and this year. Last year, all of our group had their tents rifled through (although fortunately none of us left any valuables in our tents), as had just about everyone else in that area. This year, none of our tents were touched.

Last year, the dance tents were seriously overcrowded with chavs by the Saturday night. This year they weren't. I was with Pablo Essexbar and his gf in the breaks tent on the Friday night and we were very concerned when we saw a number of obvious fencejumpers pouring in (I think it was a couple of dozen in total). But we also noted there was no sign of them the following day after the big purge on non-wristband wearers had been carried out. I didn't see any obvious fencejumpers (tracksuits, no wristbands) at all the following night.

That's all anecdotal evidence - but probably closer to the truth than the makey-uppy figures being bandied around.

Now listen DBM , I never said hearsay was a basis for a legal system, and I dont care who you know or blah blah blah....

Your arguement has just as little basis as mine and thats the only fact here, but

As far as I could see with my own two eyes, those shadow security guys were doing sweet FA, and I've worked with event managment

firms/Security firms before and seen well worked security opperations . These blokes seemed more preoccupied with looking the part rather

than doing the job.

railway raver wrote:

DBM wrote:

railway raver wrote:where theres smoke there is fire

That phrase has been responsible for more miscarriages of justice than anything else. It's the favourite standby of any weak prosecution case. I've spoken to Paddy Hill (of Birmingham 6 fame) a few times, so you've managed to push one of my buttons there.

Hearsay is only hearsay.

No-one has any precise figures because they haven't been centrally logged as far as I'm aware. However, most people say that the robberies were mainly in the area near the ID Spiral. We camped there both last year and this year. Last year, all of our group had their tents rifled through (although fortunately none of us left any valuables in our tents), as had just about everyone else in that area. This year, none of our tents were touched.

Last year, the dance tents were seriously overcrowded with chavs by the Saturday night. This year they weren't. I was with Pablo Essexbar and his gf in the breaks tent on the Friday night and we were very concerned when we saw a number of obvious fencejumpers pouring in (I think it was a couple of dozen in total). But we also noted there was no sign of them the following day after the big purge on non-wristband wearers had been carried out. I didn't see any obvious fencejumpers (tracksuits, no wristbands) at all the following night.

That's all anecdotal evidence - but probably closer to the truth than the makey-uppy figures being bandied around.

Now listen DBM , I never said hearsay was a basis for a legal system, and I dont care who you know or blah blah blah....

Your arguement has just as little basis as mine and thats the only fact here, but

As far as I could see with my own two eyes, those shadow security guys were doing sweet FA, and I've worked with event managment

firms/Security firms before and seen well worked security opperations . These blokes seemed more preoccupied with looking the part rather

than doing the job.

And please do not compair an examination of security at a festival with, wrongly convicted men spending years in prison, its offends me, and

I should hope it would them

I can confirm that the fence jumpers and tent robberies were down on last year as I was talking to 2 lads that worked it the previous year and they said last year was a lot worse.

As to looking like meatheads well if we all turned up 3 ft tall and weighing 6 stone then how would we stop all the pikeys from from robbing all you nice folk. As stated in my previous post i have worked many events in my life and i thought the qualitie of secuirty at this event was 100 % up on what normaly works at festivals.

I beleive that a group of people were going round saying they were undercover security and giving some people grief but they did not work for neither security firm and therefore gave a bad vibe throughout the site.

As to driving round the site in jeeps - it could not have been covered totally by foot plus the attendance was up on last years and they needed more security to deal with problems so that why there was more staff.

As to the naked guy he was left on site to carry on showing his bits off and do agree that he should have been left a lone inb the first place but some shocked security guy didnt no what the score was.

What are you basing this on?

I'll ask again, on whos behalf/authority are you speaking?

A few additional notes:

- I didn't saw, hear or been aware of any #serious# incident, which for 4 days, 10-12,000 persons event is great. This apply to both security and medical (I assisted on one acid related medical problem, but beside that ambulance I haven't notice any around).

- Compared to last year fence jumping was clearly down, or at least fencejumpers had less chance to stay in but the laughable fence is still an issue.

- Security was impressive, I suspect it's a good thing to scary anyone having something to hide/on his mind (like thieving, fencejumping), but made a lot of "illegal substance" users paranoid; if we are assured that we aren't going to be harrassed for reasonable use we will just have to be more chill out and less paranoid about security walking/driving around.

- It would be nice to have stewards / leaflets / info tents about (legal/illegal) drugs effects (and stats to compare # of tobacco and alcool related death to weed/mushroom/XTC deaths). Lots of (young) people were completly of their head on thursday evening on N2O and alcool, there was only chill out vibes at ID Spiral and those bunches were pathethic. Don't take me wrong, I also like to be high but not completly off and only on the proper music. Next year on thursday, come join us at ID Spiral and share a chai and a spliff instead of N2O/cheap cider
And I must admit that if I was in the security, a few of them might not even have seen the festival start on friday...

I didn't witness any dodgy actions by security personally and didn't hear about any either. I agree that they did look a bit scary, but then that comes with the territory.

One particular security guy witnessed us lot getting all extra curricular and didn't bat an eyelid.

The only thing I'd complain about was the speed at which they were driving the 4x4s on Sunday - I did see one going at speed into the area by the psytrance tent and I did think that was fairly reckless considering the state of the people by this point.

railway raver wrote:And please do not compair an examination of security at a festival with, wrongly convicted men spending years in prison, its offends me, and

I should hope it would them

Tired old cliches like "there's no smoke without fire" offend me more, fella. As I say, that phrase has been responsible for an awful lot of innocent people being convicted for things they didn't do. It's hardly the basis of a logical argument, regardless of the context.

OK , I can see a vicious circul starting here, so I'm gona say this and leave it there, I saw no marked improvement myself in the security of the festival to the last two years imo, there is no sense letting this degenerate into an arguement

security wrote:I can confirm that the fence jumpers and tent robberies were down on last year as I was talking to 2 lads that worked it the previous year and they said last year was a lot worse.

As to looking like meatheads well if we all turned up 3 ft tall and weighing 6 stone then how would we stop all the pikeys from from robbing all you nice folk. As stated in my previous post i have worked many events in my life and i thought the qualitie of secuirty at this event was 100 % up on what normaly works at festivals.

I beleive that a group of people were going round saying they were undercover security and giving some people grief but they did not work for neither security firm and therefore gave a bad vibe throughout the site.

As to driving round the site in jeeps - it could not have been covered totally by foot plus the attendance was up on last years and they needed more security to deal with problems so that why there was more staff.

As to the naked guy he was left on site to carry on showing his bits off and do agree that he should have been left a lone inb the first place but some shocked security guy didnt no what the score was.

Thanks, mate, some interesting info there.

The naked guy is actually a mate of one of the organisers, a little bird tells me, so I understand there was some surprise about that incident. Some people had said he'd been removed from the site altogether but I guessed that had been an example of "Chinese whispers".

Interesting that the "undercover security" were apparently imposters. I did see on the Thursday night that one guy in the ID Spiral was removed by security. Some people claimed that he'd been pointed out to tehm by "undercover security" but again I don't know if there's any truth in that.

If you are who you say you are, though, can you clear up one thing for me?

If people were being stopped and searched for certain substances by security, were they acting under specific instructions from the organisers or were they acting on their own initiative?

Raver - I worked security at this event and also talked to 2 lads that had worked last year. They mentioned that the security was well organised compared to last year and also that it was quite and no trouble or many fence jumpers.

Maybe if you worked security you would have seen the effort amd hard work in catching all of them as we did get loads and took them off site. Most of the security were working on perimeter fences which included hiding behind trees and numerous other tactics to catch them.

Also mobile patrols and foot patrols inside the event to catch non payers and to be fair there was not many about seeing as it was tight on the outside fencing

We also had dog handlers and many foot patrols to stop people getting in for free.

DBM - As in any work place you will find a jobsworth and some security dont understand drugs at all and maybe i shouldnt say this but i would rather work events where everyone is off there tits than work with lager louts.

Some staff were working off there own backs but please dont forget that drugs are illegal and soem events run a zerro policy to drugs and i have seen many events where the police are way over the top and will arrest you for having a joint or one pill.

I think the police were very relaxed about Glade and never seen them so chilled out about the whole event.

DBM wrote:

railway raver wrote:I think you'll find there somewhere in the region or twice to ten times the amount of fence jumpers and robberies than last year.

Utter hogwash.

There were far fewer fencejumpers - and robberies - than last year.

Ok, I don't know any official figures on this matter, but last year, while at the festival I didn't hear a single story about robberies. However, this year it seemed I couldn't get away from stories about it. Pretty much every group I spoke to had experienced something being robbed or waking up to find someone in their tent, now to me that says this year it was worse. Is it possible less people reported the crime this time round?

Bandanaman wrote:

DBM wrote:

railway raver wrote:I think you'll find there somewhere in the region or twice to ten times the amount of fence jumpers and robberies than last year.

Utter hogwash.

There were far fewer fencejumpers - and robberies - than last year.

Ok, I don't know any official figures on this matter, but last year, while at the festival I didn't hear a single story about robberies. However, this year it seemed I couldn't get away from stories about it. Pretty much every group I spoke to had experienced something being robbed or waking up to find someone in their tent, now to me that says this year it was worse. Is it possible less people reported the crime this time round?

I'm not sure how you managed to avoid hearing a single story about robberies last year, as it was the talk of the camp. In fact, one of the organisers (Luke Piper, if I remember rightly) got up on the main dance tent stage after the closing act to apologise to everyone over the level of robberies.