Now I never condone the use of caps in a thread title but this one needs to be noticed, and everyone should keep posting in it so it remains near the top and is noticed by anyone in a position of power reading this forum.

And I'm most definitly not saying get rid of overkill, psytrance has two areans, why not two areans for the heavyer, weirder side of rave. Overkill tent + Bangface tent = one crazy as fuck festival. Not that any of you lot need telling that

Yes PLEASE!!!!!

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so it can play the same genres as the overkill tent?

I know Saint Acid was well up for having a Bangface tent this year but the organisers didn't really want that.

The thing is that the Overkill side of things tends to be a "festival within a festival" anyway. There definitely seems to me and a lot of others that there is a lot more "attitude" coming from the breakcore end of the scene - and perhaps a bit of resentment stemming from being a minority within a festival that is mainly geared towards psy-trance and breaks?

Is it a case of people feeling ghettoised and marginalised from the rest of the festival - or is it a self-imposed ghetto? I'm curious to know which way round it is, as it's pretty relevant to some of the plans that I'm considering for the future of this website.

Also, a question for those people who spend all their time in Overkill rather than enjoying the festival as a whole (and by the way, I'm not saying all Overkill people are like that - lots of people go to several or even all of the other tents): would you be happier going to a festival that was purely Overkill/Bangface/Wrong Music rather than part of a bigger festival that caters mainly for genres that you don't care much for?

i went to glade to experience glade as a whole, but the majority of the music i went to see was in the overkill, would say vapour too but lineup didnt really float my boat. i think its good that there are so many different types of people and differnet types of music, makes it a much more interesting weekend! and who knows it mite open ur eyes upto a different kind of music u never even knew you liked or even existed outside of your normal tastes, like me with dub step, never really listened to that much of it before glade but after seeing loki and a few others im starting to like it.

I think one night of Bang Face is right, really - makes it an event. I love the idea of Overkill as a tent where virtually anything can happen, but with the certainty of a full-on BF rave-up as its centrepiece.

The "attitude" is exactly what the Glade always wanted to keep out from day one hence why there's not much Drum and Bass. The Glade is not about moody fuckers it's about getting off yer tits meeting new people and having fun.

i would love a whole seperate overkill festival as well as glade for sure. BUT that definitly wouldnt make me less up for regular glade. I love stomping around the origin stage and the liquid tent. And ID spiral is amazing. I didnt notice any real attitude coming from the overkill side of things towards the psy guys. I think its a lot more toungue in cheeck than maybe a lot of over sensitive people make it out to be...

yeah didnt notice ant attitude what so ever apart from security wankers! with the exception of derik may and squarepusher there was no one outside of overkill i wanted to or did see, but i enjoy watching the stompers while having some grub, think most people there pretty much stay to one or two tents regardless of which is their preferance, but yes to an earlier point a overkill/bf/wrong/death sucker etc etc festival would be safe as fook like

I was thinking it was about time Overkill tried to stage their own festival... But as a separate event. Overkill stage at Glade is enough for me but I wouldn't be suprised if there was a "Wrong" festival somewhere down the line. I don't know where this so called percieved 'attitude' has come from as I've never seen it. Granted most people that really enjoy Overkill are complete nutters but I've never seen any aggro - just some really happy people playing with inflatables I have heard/read stories of pretty nasty things going on at Glade so me and my pals must have been lucky not to witness anything but happy friendly vibes at Glade, especially this year!

well there are quite a few electronica/breakcore etc 3 day festivals around the country (I've even played at one), i just don't think there's enough of a crowd (i.e. 15,000 paying punters) for a deathchant/warp/planetmu etc fest on a scale like glade to be a viable venture for those involved

i have no idea about the sort of money, organisation and licensing involved in putting together a festival, though I imagine there's a number of good reasons why festivals are either 500 or 10,000 + style events

Deathchantfest..... [drools]


I just think that the Overkill tent feels a little underloved. The longest line-up in the smallest tent... and as we could see this year plenty more people came for Overkill type stuff than techno.

Don't forget that it ain't just breakcore and gabba, dubstep's found it's Glade home in Overkill, Mala didn't feel right in Breaksday.


Vex'd for 2008!!!!!

Have to say most of the artists/DJs I'd "come to see" were in Overkill, but that was coincidence more than anything.

I love breaks, to a certain extent, and I love psytrance, to a certain extent, but could hardly name any of the DJs in either Breaksday or Origin, I just know that one or the other stage will be playing some top tunes if I wandered over there.

"The Panacea" appearing on the roster struck fathomless joy into my heart back in May. Having said that, it also struck fathomless disappointment into my heart when he didn't play on the Friday. The cascade of disappointment meant I also missed Scotch Egg and a few others I'd been looking forward to, and I didn't really notice the music this year, which is a bizarre thing to say about a music festival really.

Bangface as a centrepiece works a treat, IMO

Sorry about the uber post but this little sentence....

Sperge wrote:Is it a case of people feeling ghettoised and marginalised from the rest of the festival - or is it a self-imposed ghetto? I'm curious to know which way round it is, as it's pretty relevant to some of the plans that I'm considering for the future of this site

made me want to give as much reflection on this topic as possible.

Sperge wrote:There definitely seems to me and a lot of others that there is a lot more "attitude" coming from the breakcore end of the scene

Reallly? It upsets me a little to learn of this feeling from others. I've not noticed any more attitude from Overkill than from other tents. Is it perhaps the style in itself which promotes this idea? I've had just as many friendly conversations at Bangface than at any psytrance rave I've been to. I had no idea that the Overkill tent was thought badly of, I feel I want to do something to promote relationships between the genres!

Sperge wrote:- and perhaps a bit of resentment stemming from being a minority within a festival that is mainly geared towards psy-trance and breaks?

I was always under the impression that the festival catered for listeners of electronic dance music, rather than any particular subgenre/s. The festival as a whole has more of an atmosphere of a psytrance rave than anything else, and I think that makes the festival what it is, but before this year I never felt that Overkill was considered a lesser part of the festival by the organisers. This year I felt that the sound levels in the Overkill tent were lower than other tents, and did feel that others were being given priority. That said I was extremily pleased that the tent was back up and running as quickly as it was, and all the effort that went into doing that was really, really appreciated!

Sperge wrote:Is it a case of people feeling ghettoised and marginalised from the rest of the festival - or is it a self-imposed ghetto?

IMO I think that there is an element of the music not being quite as accessable as the other tents. It can sound quite abrasive to someone unfamiliar with the style played in Overkill, especially compared with other stuff being played around the site. It can take years to properly get into some of the harsher breakcore and hardcore, I can't hack it all of the time myself. I have never felt that the Overkill tent had any sort of ghetto feel to it, self imposed or otherwise.

Sperge wrote:Also, a question for those people who spend all their time in Overkill rather than enjoying the festival as a whole (and by the way, I'm not saying all Overkill people are like that - lots of people go to several or even all of the other tents): would you be happier going to a festival that was purely Overkill/Bangface/Wrong Music rather than part of a bigger festival that caters mainly for genres that you don't care much for?

I wouldn't necessarily be happier at a festival that only catered for said music. It is an interesting question though. On Friday morning when I went down to the loo and saw the river flowing through the Overkill tent, and it looked seriously like it wasn't going to happen, for the first time at any festival I've been to ever I considered leaving early. It was only fleeting, but it did make me realise that Overkill is a major part of the festival for me.

I am one of those who claims to only spend time in the Overkill, but I am only referring to the music. I spend just as much time wondering around talking to people, chilling out at ID spiral and generally being mashed. I don't go to the other tents simply because I don't want to listed to that music, not because I have some sort of an attitude about it. I would still prefer to go to a festival that caters for all types of dance music rather than a genre specific one, because as much as I don't want to listen to that type of music, it doesn't mean I don't want to meet the people that do like it! I love talking to people who don't have the same musical interests.

bangface is mayhem...just keep in on for one nite..that what makes bangface 6 hours of pure madness couldnt stay there all weeknd listenin to it tbh lol

didnt really listen to dub-step myself...now im lovin it glade rave glade rave

as mentioned somewhere else...was my 1st glade and i like the harder edged stuff...but i think a mixture of all kinds of music is great...and as some 1 says u meet different people who are into different shit ...so yeah its all good keep it as it is ..dont single it out for just trance/breaks/dubstep/hardcore techno or breakcore....as some1 mentioned..they didnt listen to dubstep b4 hand..now they do....it opens all new doors...i had at least 1 good occaision in the trance tent, but maybe thats because i was wasted lol....but yeah i would say from my first taste of the glade keep it going

mashtastic wrote:

Sperge wrote:There definitely seems to me and a lot of others that there is a lot more "attitude" coming from the breakcore end of the scene

Reallly? It upsets me a little to learn of this feeling from others. I've not noticed any more attitude from Overkill than from other tents. Is it perhaps the style in itself which promotes this idea? I've had just as many friendly conversations at Bangface than at any psytrance rave I've been to. I had no idea that the Overkill tent was thought badly of, I feel I want to do something to promote relationships between the genres!

Can't say I've ever noticed any "attitude" at Glade either. I do notice it from some posters on some boards at times though, including this one unfortunately.

No, I don't think the Overkill is badly thought of at all. I think the League Against Psy Trance stuff in 2005 ruffled a few feathers but I've never heard of any outright hostility at Glade, ever.

mashtastic wrote:I wouldn't necessarily be happier at a festival that only catered for said music. It is an interesting question though. On Friday morning when I went down to the loo and saw the river flowing through the Overkill tent, and it looked seriously like it wasn't going to happen, for the first time at any festival I've been to ever I considered leaving early. It was only fleeting, but it did make me realise that Overkill is a major part of the festival for me.

You weren't the only one by a long chalk! I spoke to quite a few people who had come specifically for the Overkill and were naturally gutted. It was great seeing their eyes light up as the stewards came around telling them Overkill would open, a bit like a kid being told Santa was coming today with extra presents for being so good.

As much as I love Bangface I don't think it should have it's own tent, it's good for the friday night but I think the insanity it brings should be packed in to those crazy 6 hours so that it feels more intense

I wanted to feel the dubstep beats but it was SO busy in that tent. At least make it bigger!!

118girl wrote:I wanted to feel the dubstep beats but it was SO busy in that tent. At least make it bigger!!

I wholeheartedly agree, definitely make the tent bigger, maybe even, as someone mentioned before/somewhere else, use the vapor tent? That would be ace! Especiialy seen as thats the tent that was liquid in 2006, and the sides come up if its (ever!) hot at glade again. I know some of the overkill peeps like the dark but it did get veeeery hot in there in 2006, i barely ventured in during the day in that year. Another option could be to have bangface in the Vapor tent everynight before the Vapor line-up kicks off.