Overkill

by **thehardcorechief** » 26 Jul 2007, 16:45

yeah the scream faced crowd surfer is astraboy i think on other forums...i have mentioned already over there even though he was spashin mud and ravin in our faces that was a classic bit of trickery ..hahaha

by **wagawaga** » 26 Jul 2007, 20:02

THE UNDERKILL TENT

by **admin** » 26 Jul 2007, 20:13

dannybee wrote:My post got deleted but I am not sure why.

I would love an answer to the following false statement on the glade festival website:

Funktion 1 is also, we feel, amongst the very highest quality rigs and it's also being used in Sancho Panza and in the Overkill tent. Having the highest quality gear, run by the best engineers, will mean highly accurate sound without as much noise spillage...

There was NOT a funktion one sound system at the overkill stage at Glade this year. Why? It is clear that the lack of it forced the sound to be reduced and overkill people love their noize. If it is because of the flooding then fine but I would love to here that from the organisers. I had an AMAZING time but it would have been faultless with higher volume in the evening at the Overkill stage

Apologies dannybee, I think it was in the thread I creamed off from the main "response to the organisers" thread and then promptly managed to delete by mistake. It might well have looked like it was deleted "accidentally on purpose" but it was a genuine, 24-carat f*ck-up. :blush:

I did promise to raise this one with the organisers and haven't done it yet. Will get on the case now and let you know if I get a response on it.

by **Sperge** » 26 Jul 2007, 23:03

As promised, I asked the following question:

A question that keeps coming up is the lack of Funktion 1 rigs at the
Overkill tent despite it being stated on the official Glade website that
both Overkill and Sancho Panza would have them.

As I understand it, an Opus rig was used in Overkill, which I'm told is
fine in terms of sound quality but obviously doesn't have the
noise-cancelling properties of the F1 Ambisonics.

It seems a number of people are complaining that levels were
often quiet in the Overkill and they think the lack of F1 may be behind
this.

Is it a case of the floods meaning that F1 rigs could not be used or was
there some other technical reason why conventional rigs had to be
used instead?

The reply I have just received is:

Good question.

The story is that the tent we had planned for Overkill was on the back of
an artic lorry that jackknifed coming out of another wet gig - no one was
hurt, but the lorry and the tent were a write off.

The replacement tent was smaller and as a result there was not room in
the tent for the 4 additional stacks required for the soundfield.

Next year the tent will be bigger and will have a soundfield same as the
breaks tent.

by **free spirit** » 26 Jul 2007, 23:40

as one of the people who spent a large proportion of my time at the festival knee deep in rivers building dams, digging ditches etc in the effort to firstly divert the river away from overkill and back where it belonged to get the overkill tent open, and then keep it open despite the entire area from the front of stage barrier backwards being under getting on for a foot of water, I'm really happy for those that partied in there and loved it.

for those complaining about the noise levels etc. please be aware that the tent was virtually permanently on the verge of being closed the entire weekend, so you're lucky there was any sound in there at all. You'd not believe the effort that went into getting the tent open and keeping it open.

OK so the sound could and should have been better, but at least it was on, and it's amazing to me that the speakers were even working after spending most of a day submerged in a river, and full credit to the sound crew for sticking it out and making it work despite the obvious risk of our temporary dams being breached by any further serious rainfall and their amps ending up 2 foot deep in a river.

I'm not sure why the sound was so low in there as it's not my department, but I seriously doubt that venetian snares will ever be invited back to play at glade, or any other festival that any of the glade crew are involved in after his little attempt to start a riot - we were seriously unimpressed with that particular stunt.

(this is a personal opinion, not an official festival opinion)

by **Eamonn** » 26 Jul 2007, 23:49

Sperge wrote:As promised, I asked the following question:

A question that keeps coming up is the lack of Funktion 1 rigs at the
Overkill tent despite it being stated on the official Glade website that
both Overkill and Sancho Panza would have them.

As I understand it, an Opus rig was used in Overkill, which I'm told is
fine in terms of sound quality but obviously doesn't have the
noise-cancelling properties of the F1 Ambisonics.

It seems a number of people are complaining that levels were
often quiet in the Overkill and they think the lack of F1 may be behind
this.

Is it a case of the floods meaning that F1 rigs could not be used or was
there some other technical reason why conventional rigs had to be
used instead?

The reply I have just received is:

Good question.

The story is that the tent we had planned for Overkill was on the back of
an artic lorry that jackknifed coming out of another wet gig - no one was
hurt, but the lorry and the tent were a write off.

The replacement tent was smaller and as a result there was not room in
the tent for the 4 additional stacks required for the soundfield.

Next year the tent will be bigger and will have a soundfield same as the
breaks tent.

All I can say to that is...

BRING ON OVERKILL @ GLADE 2008!!!! WOooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :wackyhat:

by **jsyp** » 27 Jul 2007, 09:49

hmmm , late on thursday night whilst speaking to ned outside the overkill tent , he told me the tent was actually slightly bigger this year after i was saying it looked smaller . why would ned have said that and not told us about what happened to the original tent ? Surely he must have known .

by **Sperge** » 27 Jul 2007, 11:00

jsyp wrote:hmmm , late on thursday night whilst speaking to ned outside the overkill tent , he told me the tent was actually slightly bigger this year after i was saying it looked smaller . why would ned have said that and not told us about what happened to the original tent ? Surely he must have known .

It may still have been slightly bigger than the previous year's but not as big as the one planned? :unsure:

by **Con** » 27 Jul 2007, 11:20

overkill tent was amazin the whole weekend...missed kj sawka ;( needed my sleep that nite

by **G-BO** » 27 Jul 2007, 11:30

suppose looking back at hindsight it wanst that loud, the quality was great and basslines in various sets were the bass was superly important ala digital mystiks, clark, luke's anger...it sounded well, i didnt let it play on my mind

the whole weekend in the overkill tent was amazin....was standing in the bank queue during sunday afternoon when beardyman, scotch egg and digital mystiks were playing...caught the end of digital mystiks and seen apparat...who was yer geezer on after him? leofah didnt show and then clark was great

milanese, landstrum, tipper, NED, von shirach were also unreal on saturday....bangface was great (no surprise)...cudnt really say a bad word at all...look forward to seeing what cunts the overkill dig up for next years event

by **ThE99THReDBallooN** » 27 Jul 2007, 12:18

Eamonn wrote:
Sperge wrote:As promised, I asked the following question:

A question that keeps coming up is the lack of Funktion 1 rigs at the
Overkill tent despite it being stated on the official Glade website that
both Overkill and Sancho Panza would have them.

As I understand it, an Opus rig was used in Overkill, which I'm told is
fine in terms of sound quality but obviously doesn't have the
noise-cancelling properties of the F1 Ambisonics.

It seems a number of people are complaining that levels were
often quiet in the Overkill and they think the lack of F1 may be behind
this.

Is it a case of the floods meaning that F1 rigs could not be used or was
there some other technical reason why conventional rigs had to be
used instead?

The reply I have just received is:

Good question.

The story is that the tent we had planned for Overkill was on the back of
an artic lorry that jackknifed coming out of another wet gig - no one was
hurt, but the lorry and the tent were a write off.

The replacement tent was smaller and as a result there was not room in
the tent for the 4 additional stacks required for the soundfield.

Next year the tent will be bigger and will have a soundfield same as the
breaks tent.

All I can say to that is...

BRING ON OVERKILL @ GLADE 2008!!!! WOooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

beautiful!

by **SoloStrike** » 27 Jul 2007, 17:13

That Overkill reply sounds fair enough to me - I just wanted reassurance something had in fact, gone wrong instead of the organizers thinking that sound system was adequate... can't wait for 2008 now. I did think the tent looked a little small when I'd worked out which one was Overkill!

Anyway, here's to the next one, bring on the breakcore, bring on the bigger tent, bring on the soundfield, let's have it!!!

by **Sperge** » 27 Jul 2007, 20:19

Con wrote:overkill tent was amazin the whole weekend...missed kj sawka ;( needed my sleep that nite

I would have loved to see him myself, that video of him was well impressive.

by **baldmosher** » 29 Jul 2007, 02:12

G-BO wrote:look forward to seeing what cunts the overkill dig up for next years event

SURELY it's too early for that!?!??

by **phuboy** » 29 Jul 2007, 17:09

SoloStrike wrote:That Overkill reply sounds fair enough to me - I just wanted reassurance something had in fact, gone wrong instead of the organizers thinking that sound system was adequate... can't wait for 2008 now. I did think the tent looked a little small when I'd worked out which one was Overkill!

Anyway, here's to the next one, bring on the breakcore, bring on the bigger tent, bring on the soundfield, let's have it!!!

Ditto.

That's all I needed to hear. No need to bother looking at Sonar anymore.... but maybe i will anyway.

by **nedward** » 30 Jul 2007, 10:25

hi,

ned here >

wow, i've just found this thread and its really made me smile reading through everyone's comments.

as you all well know it was a hell of a rollacoaster that the core crew, myself & Ed & bang face posse are just recovering from.
there really is no way to describe the feeling when you hear the rain starting to come down in the middle of the night at a festival and it just doesnt stop.
Its like all those dellusions you gave yourself about "maybe we'll miss the rain", or "maybe we'll just get a shower" are cancelled out and you just have this impending feeling.... THE MUD IS COMING.

when we had our production meeting at 10am on friday morning, sheltering from the downpour myself and the Overkill crew knew we were in a bad situation, basically our tent is at the bottom of the bottom.. its in the lowest point of the puddle.. and it was soo flooded that the electrics, amps, kit etc were all starting to get wet.. which bascially means the tent is dangerous and has to be closed. We were told that we had to cancel the Friday, then we'd see what would happen on Saturday. I can honestly say at this point i wept... im not proud and it was only for a moment! :-)

.. but the thought of all the work, all the flgihts getting acts over from the States, all the details.. Bang Face.. urg.. what a horrible feeling. So we started calling everyone and cancelling them,, was really intense.. everyone was gutted, all the artists were so sad, all the crew were deflatted, me & ed could hardly talk to each other.. anyway.. around 4pm the officals at glade (the tent master, and some of the directors) came over to our tent and suddenly started to say things like "we could get it open, if we can get rid of the water".. perhaps the amount of questions the info tents were getting about whether Overkill would be open or not made it a real priority.?

We had another meeting at 5:30pm and it was all positive, the amazing individulas making up the core glade crew are so experienced at all this shit, it was utterly inspiring seeing them go into action.. little diggers turned up, water pumps were suddenly sucking all the shit out of our dancefloor, and the soundcrew rebuilt their PA on the stage. We had to call all the artists and tell them to get their asses on site.. which was easier said than done as the entire area around the site was flooded.. nearly all roads into Glade were impassable.. another logistical nightmare.. we were intouch with Ceephax, Luke Vibert, Ragga Twins, Sharkey, Tim Exile, Mike Dred and many more all at the same time trying to direct them around the flooding onto the site and we were rewriting the running order on the fly.

when we opened the Overkill tent doors at 8:30pm on friday, i couldnt believe it.. it was full instantly.. and suddenly you coulnt see the mud on the floor and it just looked like a proper rave. i still cant believe it.

I want to send out a massive thank you and buckets (:-) full of respect to:
Ed Sibert - my stage manager extrodinaire - no one works harder than he.. and he has great taste in music.. he's the Bristol connection!
the Overkill Crew - best yet.. and all for freee.. you rock! (rob, sofie, carley, nicole, Alex) (shit, im sure i've forgotten someone...
Sound system guys - remaining sane & clam while working 16 hours days and sleeping in a store cupboard.. thank you
The VJS - Jonnie & co from paris.. all the feedback on your visuals is awsome .. people dug it, thanks!
Bang Face Posse - always a pleasure working with you, james is a dude - overkill is the only place they have made BF outside of their residency, im proud!
Glade Team - the best indiependent festival organisers in the world.. seriously.. Nick, Mark, Ans, Jo, Becky, Biff, Luke .. Respect! -

i will add here that for anyone who has real experience of managing festivals you know how hella hard it is at the best of times, a normal glade festival stretches the teams abilities to the max.. you have 16,000 people in a field... The core glade crew are responsible for EVERYTHING...they are managing all the secutiry, transport, tent build, sound system crews, catering, health n saftey.. council breathing down their neck.. its insane to see how it works.
and i know for a fact that faced with the worst rain downpour in history in that area most festival organisers would have buckled and cancelled the whole thing.. respect where respect is due i'd say.

artists that didnt play:
Luke Vibert - he was almost out the door, then we had to cancel friday, so he cancelled the hire car etc & didnt come - fair enough! Ragga Twins played with their own DJ who came at the last minute.
Assault - i'd flown him over from USA, but told him to stay in London when the shit was hitting the fan.
Luke's Anger / Michael Forshaw / Mode48 / Andrea Parker / voltexile - came to Glade but the Overkill tent was cancelled during when they were supposed to play
Mike Dred (aka Universal Indicator) - couldnt make cos of the flooding .. he was on the road for around 12 hours trying to get there!
Everyone else made it and Played.. 7 acts out of 5o ish total .. that aint bad eh!

In response to some of the issues raised:
Overkill soundlevel - i agree.. i think we missed having the Function systems that the other tents had, at times i think we were quieter, but its not stress, im sure with all the comments that have been made the Glade cheifs will get it in there next year,. actually they were trying to install the function 1 for 2007, but our tent isnt big enough, it would eat too much capacity,, and its not simple getting a bigger tent cos we would have to move the location of Overkill.. cant fit a bigger tent in that spot.. but roll on 2008.. ace.

Snares - hmmm,, i think i wont say too much on this.. some artists are up tight about certain things.. snares thing is sound levels.. he knows he shouldnt have got so pissed off,, maybe i should have had him play before 12, before the soundl imitation really kicked in.. he was just being Snares really.. i love his music.

2008: if there is one thing a muddy festival leaves you feeling (apart from tired) is that you want a sunny one.. thats what im looking forward to.. a baking hot Glade 2008 with a upgraded function 1 system & a bigger tent... we'll be back with an even better line up of mutants from all over the world.

thanks to all the positive feedback, it really is top to hear that people enjoyed Overkill so much, means alot to us and i think its important people have spoken your mind about all the issues bugging you, notes have been made!

bring it on.

ned

by **Sperge** » 30 Jul 2007, 15:42

nedward wrote:thanks to all the positive feedback, it really is top to hear that people enjoyed Overkill so much, means alot to us and i think its important people have spoken your mind about all the issues bugging you, notes have been made!

And thank you for reading through it all and responding, Ned. Nice one! :thup:

by **ogriff** » 30 Jul 2007, 17:44

Ned - you're a legend mate. Real nice to see the promoters responding and giving props to those who deserve it - FUNKTION ONE FOR 2008 CAMPAIGN STARTS NOW...

by **thehardcorechief** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:04

fuckin right ned..agree with all u said they mate...especially how all us ravers dont know how much work goes into a normal nie/festival....neverminding all the naughtiness nature threw at us...

and also second note looking 4ward to a bigger...louder...sunnier Overkill/bangface etc at glade next year...

one of the best times in my life was had

RESPECT 2 U....!!!!!

by **nedward** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:55

nice one, thanks,

i've put up a blog on the Overkill myspce with some pics > http://www.myspace.com/nedoverkill

there are 2 more things i wanted to add!
1) there should deffo be a glade campaign (from the punters) to get these bullshit sound restrictions removed. Im going to ask teh main glade cheifs if it would help to have 5000 people send letters to the local council saying they want glade to happen at 105 db so it can be fully enjoyed!..

2) i just wanted to reinforce how amazing it was to see all the people in the overkill tent when we got it going, what an awsome open minded crowd going off to an ace mix up of music.. the vibe was great. and to those people who helped spread the straw on saturday to get the tent open in time for Beardyman, double thanks!

by **youllneverbe** » 30 Jul 2007, 19:32

nedward wrote:Snares - hmmm,, i think i wont say too much on this.. some artists are up tight about certain things.. snares thing is sound levels.. he knows he shouldnt have got so pissed off,, maybe i should have had him play before 12, before the soundl imitation really kicked in.. he was just being Snares really.. i love his music.

Although that's obviously a "professional" (i.e. mild) comment about the onstage incident, I do think that people on the board here are blowing it slightly out of proportion. He did NOT try to "start a riot", and if he was being genuinely militant about it, he wouldn't have been passing the mic to Ned for his responses. I've seen him before in dangerously overcrowded rooms where there's been a very real risk of people getting crushed under each other, so he posed no real threat to security at all and was not really being "irresponsible". Of course the crowd was going to get behind him - it's VSnares! He's pretty much the distilled essence of what the Overkill tent is about, musically. Plus, I can't have been the only one to notice that the volume level actually did go up a little bit after the argument. I was pretty sober at that point, so I know I'm not imagining things. I think Snares played a fucking blinder of a set, dropping stuff from Pink + Green and the mighty Hungarian album - his set pretty much made my weekend, curtailed or not.

And also, well done to X&Switch, the unfortunate artist who had to follow him. The atmosphere was going a bit damp after VSnares' early exit, and he not only kept everyone's attention when people could easily have wandered off, by about half an hour later the whole place was absolutely fucking jumping all over again. And after that.... Enduser, Dolphin & Teknoist.... man, it didn't stop. Best night of the festival.

I was absolutely gutted when the security told me Overkill wouldn't be open at all... I was honestly considering going home there and then. But next thing I knew it was "opening at ten", which I ecstatically informed to the mashup ravers who camped next to us, and then I found it open much earlier, with Monkey Steak playing inside. Fucking wonderful stuff!

Oh, and next year........ will be the very best.

by **Chopper** » 31 Jul 2007, 15:51

I'd like to applaud Ned for having the balls to come on here and explain everthing that happened. I dont think anyone at 12:00pm expected to see the Overkill tent in operation for the whole festival.....I mean it was under 3ft of water ffs, the OVerkill/Bandface/Glade team was have worked tirelessly to get that stage runnig at att...nevermind by 8.30pm on friday.....it really was remarkable work guys....well done!!

One thing I thought might have happened was that the Overkill may have been moved to the Techno tent during the day....why could this not have happened?

Also why was the Overkill Tent not the size of the Techno tent....and the Techno tent the size of the Overkill? Would have made more sense to me, especially given the popularity of the Overkill tent?

by **ThE99THReDBallooN** » 01 Aug 2007, 13:24

cheers for the round up of stuff ned!

cannot wait for some more overkill lovelyness

with all the madness etc is it a proper no go for snares in 08 you think?

by **nedward** » 02 Aug 2007, 16:22

yo.

i'd love to have snares back!.. haha.. call me mad.. but i think if i could get him on when the soundlevel was rocking it would be a real killa thing to pull off, as someone truthfuly mentioned, snares is a real key element of the Overkill vibe .. crazy intense vibe but uniquie and utterly interesting sound.

i think i would have to give written confirmation to the organisers that he would behave this time :-)

i dont know.. i dont think Aaron would be into it. hmm..

by **Sperge** » 02 Aug 2007, 18:52

nedward wrote:i think i would have to give written confirmation to the organisers that he would behave this time

Well, time is a great healer. Maybe not in time for next year though.

I can see where Snares is coming from. If sound is the one thing that has to be right for him and he was assured that it absolutely would be sorted this year, and then lo and behold it wasn't, then I guess he was bound to be pissed off.

But he really should have cut everyone a bit of slack considering the circumstances. Can't see him being asked back in any big hurry, Ned...

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