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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby rarefog » 13 Jun 2012, 17:17

I was under the impression that dogs were trained to sniff a particular substance, I could be wrong on that as I found it a bit unlikely. I got pulled last year when a dog smelt my pocket that had been full of weed all day until I saw the dog. Dog picked up on residual scent.
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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby baldmosher » 13 Jun 2012, 18:38

No that's pretty much correct, they'll normally call the relevant expert if they are looking for something specific. I've no doubt they try each dog with a variety of contraband at A Level before it does its degree at Doggy Uni but I gather they do all specialise. If they're actually a sniffer dog of course and not just some random mutt.

Football matches in London are often monitored by explosives dogs.

At the cup final last year, a copper frogmarched a guy past me, with a little kid in tow, all I heard was "Look, I didn't force you to come to London and get munted on coke did I?" I don't know if a dog found it or if he was just searched after acting like a complete knobend. Just thought I'd share
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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby lurk » 13 Jun 2012, 19:29

i think they can do two or three substances each. generally they are trained to smell coke, heroin and weed.

there is a story from australia which i heard when i was there, probably apocryphal but amusing all the same, that someone broke into the sniffer dog training center and replaced the coke in the training dummy with talcum powder. when that batch of dogs were finished with their training they went off to airports and places and it took their handlers months to work out what had happened. they couldn't understand why the dogs were going mental over old lady's suitcases.

i have also heard that dogs are trained to work in very short, intensive bursts, and their noses tire quite quickly. usually about half an hour or so. but the handlers are trained to spot "tells" on a punter, and will point the dog at someone and then look for a reaction. the dog won't have smelt anything.
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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby CunningStunt » 13 Jun 2012, 21:20

lurk wrote:there is a story from australia which i heard when i was there, probably apocryphal but amusing all the same, that someone broke into the sniffer dog training center and replaced the coke in the training dummy with talcum powder. when that batch of dogs were finished with their training they went off to airports and places and it took their handlers months to work out what had happened. they couldn't understand why the dogs were going mental over old lady's suitcases.


Pretty sure the dogs would have been exposed more than once to the substance they're trained to detect whilst training. Also the drugs they use to train with are checked in and out of where they're taken on a daily basis. I'm not a user of coke but I'm pretty sure the appearance is not the same as talc
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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby lurk » 13 Jun 2012, 21:24

the drugs/explosives/etc are put in one of these http://www.allcocksoutdoorstore.co.uk/s ... -in-Green/ which would then be locked away at the end of each session and used repeatedly. you wouldn't just leave out packets of the stuff for them to find cos they have to be trained not to chew it as well :)
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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby rarefog » 13 Jun 2012, 21:38

lurk wrote:the handlers are trained to spot "tells" on a punter, and will point the dog at someone and then look for a reaction. the dog won't have smelt anything.


makes sense I probably was looking a bit shifty, then again the pooch went straight for my crotch, nose right in there :oops:
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Searches / Camping area

Postby sim667 » 13 Jun 2012, 22:07

They're going to have fun searching my van, it's fucking rammo
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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby ravewinstone » 13 Jun 2012, 22:17

I watched a documentary once by a guy that previously worked for some big American federal drugs type bureau, but had since decided that he was busting otherwise law abiding citizens and so decided to use his knowledge to make documentaries to help people avoid detection (and I suppose make money, but that's besides the point...).

In this it said that dogs have difficulty sniffing upwards. I guess that makes sense because the dogs just walk along the line at sort of knee hight. So if you're in a car the best place might be your sun roof. Using that logic, if I was carrying a big bag, and I was that way inclined, I might be tempted to hide my dog treats towards the top of the bag so as to avoid detection waiting in line :wink: as obviously this place would be the furthest from the dog's nose. I suppose in a hat may also work but that seems a bit risky to me.

In my experience the actual bag searches on entrance are more looking for glass / booze / metal stuff.
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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby lurk » 13 Jun 2012, 22:32

rarefog wrote:
lurk wrote:the handlers are trained to spot "tells" on a punter, and will point the dog at someone and then look for a reaction. the dog won't have smelt anything.


makes sense I probably was looking a bit shifty, then again the pooch went straight for my crotch, nose right in there :oops:


the dog could have been fresh, or your crotch could have been very smelly. having said that, i was driving out of a festival in italy a few years back with some mates, and we got pulled over by the very scary looking caribineiri. they opened the passenger door where my mate was sitting, he had a sock full of naughties, but these socks were nepalese wool and he'd been wearing them for 4 straight days in near 40 degree heat. they stuck a sniffer dog in with its nose right in the footwell. i swear it almost yelped and ran away with its tail between its legs. it probably never worked again. we were then free to go on our merry way.

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Re: Searches / Camping area

Postby djdoublezero » 14 Jun 2012, 13:45

ravewinstone wrote:In this it said that dogs have difficulty sniffing upwards.

The answers simple then a 20ft pole with everything attached to the top.(u could claim u were a wizard) . Or a big top hat. Actually if you said you were a wizard u have both options. :D

or go in on stilts

or get to know someone really tall and get them to dress as Abraham Lincoln (on stilts) for triple safety.

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