Wasing at all costs?

[Sperge]

A better question would be:

If it's at Wasing, will all the moaners feck off and leave the rest of us to have a top time?

Innit.

[Omeba Pissflaps]

Id like to see how many people wouldnt go to glade if it wasnt at wasings? I definitly dont want it to move, as its like a tradition, we always camp in the same spot, I feel like its a second home or somthing etc. Im not sure i would definitly go if it moved...

[phuboy]

"Will you go to Glade 2008 if it's still at Wasing?"

There have been one or two individuals insisting that the Glade must move because of what they claim to be excessive decibel restrictions. So I thought i would run this straw poll to gauge whether most people who come on this forum are that bothered about it. Apparently not, going by current trends. It's looking like there is a highly vociferous minority while most are fine with things as they are.

After reading that, I'd change my answer to no.

I clicked yes thinking that it was in reference to the site itself, rather than any implications caused by the location and locals.

Wasing estate is lovely, and I doubt you'd find a better place. But if I had to choose between a nice place or a solid sound system, I'd choose the later. If there are going to be the same noise/volume restictions, it has to move or the Overkill tent's going to be empty next year.

It was just too quiet in there.

[shakyjane]

A better question would be:

If it's at Wasing, will all the moaners feck off and leave the rest of us to have a top time?

oo watch out, this one's a comedian!

I would go to glade if it was still at wasing because hardly ever get a lineup like that and because the vibe is brilliant

whats wrong with helping them with suggestions to try and improve? and improving, in my opinion would involve going somewhere else. And I did have a top time thank you, and you know what someone said to me about me 'always had a smile on yer face'. I aint a moaner.

[baldmosher]

A better question would be:

If it's at Wasing, will all the moaners feck off and leave the rest of us to have a top time?

oo watch out, this one's a comedian!

I take no comedic credit for brazenly stealing Sperge's astute observation that a hell of a lot of people who are moaning are either moaning because of the Overkill and/or the car park.... The latter of these problems I think was unavoidable, considering the ridiculous circumstances. And yes, I agree the Overkill was quiet (when I was in there on Friday evening, at least) but it was the Origin stage (or it could have been the Liquid stage?) that I could hear from 5 miles away across the fields on Sunday, so I doubt the decibel restrictions were at fault there.

I aint a moaner.

You certainly seem to be, judging by your posts on here! But then, this board isn't real life is it.

[salx]

Id like to see how many people wouldnt go to glade if it wasnt at wasings? I definitly dont want it to move, as its like a tradition, we always camp in the same spot, I feel like its a second home or somthing etc. Im not sure i would definitly go if it moved...

good question, that... but it's still july!!!

i've said i'd still go, 1) cos i love the site, 2) we was just extemely unlucky weather wise this year & 3) they have now got four under their belt & are getting established, having all the best intentions

however if there's a better site with less restrictions waiting in the wings if licensing for wasing gets harder (was bad enough this year) then you gotta do what you gotta do. i wouldn't mind a new regular site, say year on - year off (same with wasing) & then they could compare the two & give land owners a breather one year

[root]

Got to be honest I don't like the site -too small and much too much like a country park but of course I would go again next year if it was at Wasing. I just wish it was somewhere wilder and remote.

[shakyjane]

Id like to see how many people wouldnt go to glade if it wasnt at wasings? I definitly dont want it to move, as its like a tradition, we always camp in the same spot, I feel like its a second home or somthing etc. Im not sure i would definitly go if it moved...

good question, that... but it's still july!!!

i've said i'd still go, 1) cos i love the site, 2) we was just extemely unlucky weather wise this year & 3) they have now got four under their belt & are getting established, having all the best intentions

however if there's a better site with less restrictions waiting in the wings if licensing for wasing gets harder (was bad enough this year) then you gotta do what you gotta do. i wouldn't mind a new regular site, say year on - year off (same with wasing) & then they could compare the two & give land owners a breather one year

that is all i'm trying to say

[Chopper]

I answered No....cause basicaly I dont think I will be going to Glade next year regardless.

I agree with whats been said here though....if theres a better option where they can ramp up the dB, then its a no brainer.

There are other issues as well.....like will the plice try put a halt to it due to the drugs issue. Just seems to me year on year, things get more and more difficult and more and more restrictive!

Those who answered yes....I'd be interested to see how many have been to all the Glades for instance.....as my point is that each year the sound levels seem to suffer a little more.....and that if there are better options out there then they should be looked at. Nothing ties Glade to Wasing....and IMHO they should explore other venues, its all part of growing and progressing the festival as I see it!

[Sperge]

as my point is that each year the sound levels seem to suffer a little more.....

You see, this is what I really don't understand. The sound levels from some stages were way louder than last year. When the Liquid tent was doing its soundcheck on the Thursday, there was a big cheer from people camped all around it, with comments like "Now that's more like it" and me and a friend grinned at each other and said "Well, there won't be any complaints about the sound this year!"

So to come back and see a small number of people still moaning about the sound just looked like complaining for the sake of complaining to me. I won't rehash the arguments about hearing damage, since that may not be the issue if people claim they can pick out speech above the music. In those cases it may be down to psychoacoustics - the way you hear things is strongly linked to the emotions - something I learned the hard way after years of striving for the perfect sound with Linn turntables, Krell amplifiers, Roksan speakers etc.

You're in a muddy, rainy swamp, surrounded by people in waterproofs looking like a ramblers' convention instead of the sunny hedonism that you had been looking forward to all year, but you're determined to rise above it and have a good time anyway. But in those circumstances, things may not sound so great, human perception can be very strange like that.

[Smiffy1001]

Wasing all the way!!!!

Helps with the local economy and gives some excitment to us country folk who live just around the corner!!!

Wasing is a wicked site and i havnt heard a single report of any locals moaning so far this year unlike last year where comments where in the local papers for weeks afterwards..

[Sonic D]

I like the Wasing Estate and will happily go to Glade if it held there again. However, if the capacity is pushed up again it's simply gonna be too small. So drop the capacity plz! Oh and open up the lake view again, I promise to twat anyone that tries to piss in it.

[Exulus]

We could see the lake from our tents...then again it had swelled to about 3 times its size

[salx]

Just seems to me year on year, things get more and more difficult and more and more restrictive!

IMHO they should explore other venues

people love to get all the info & love going on gladtalk (& other forums)... it's like a fcuking drama all the way & is quite stressful worrying about tickets & then watching the debacle that is will it or won't it. sometimes one feels one must hide behind the sofa with ones hands closed tightly 'round ones ears! & it's not secret venue anymore. personally i am pissed 'cos it's near enough for people to complain about it but not near to any amenities fesytival going folk* might need. oh there's a pub & a local shop (yes? can i help you? are you local?) seriously even if you retract yourself from forums they're nice enough to let you know what's (or what isn't) going on by email, & you must be an internet nerd to buy damn tickets!. aargghhh!!! nominate someone to do all this for you!? lol

there's something to be said about getting paid & just following your nose. if tickets sell out so quick (usually) then why not release them later?


*yes - festival going folk -we're not the frigggin hells angels

[buzzingtalk]

DEFINATLEY. ill follow the glade!! my only gripe is that they should take the capacity down a bit, or at least make some of the tents bigger. the overkill sometimes was so rammed it was one in one out!!

the wasing is a beautiful place and i think it suits the glade brilliantly.

[shakyjane]

as my point is that each year the sound levels seem to suffer a little more.....

You see, this is what I really don't understand. The sound levels from some stages were way louder than last year. When the Liquid tent was doing its soundcheck on the Thursday, there was a big cheer from people camped all around it, with comments like "Now that's more like it" and me and a friend grinned at each other and said "Well, there won't be any complaints about the sound this year!"

yeah, quite possibly because the music finally started or summat....my point is that its gotten worse over the years, and its not my fucking hearing either, coz my hearing is perfect!!! I dunno about the liquid tho...all i know is that I could hear people's voices, and i dont want to...

[TangentGirl]

pychoacoustics my arse...

if i can talk easily to te person next to me, it's too quiet. End of.

If psychoacoustics was really a fator, then why doesn't it seem quiet in clubs when you're grumpy? Sounds like rampant bollox to me, I'm afraid.

[TangentGirl]

appologies for my rubbis typing...keyboars full of crumbs and notall the keys work properly lol

[Chopper]

as my point is that each year the sound levels seem to suffer a little more.....

You see, this is what I really don't understand. The sound levels from some stages were way louder than last year. When the Liquid tent was doing its soundcheck on the Thursday, there was a big cheer from people camped all around it, with comments like "Now that's more like it" and me and a friend grinned at each other and said "Well, there won't be any complaints about the sound this year!"

yeah, quite possibly because the music finally started or summat....my point is that its gotten worse over the years, and its not my fucking hearing either, coz my hearing is perfect!!! I dunno about the liquid tho...all i know is that I could hear people's voices, and i dont want to...

Right SPerge heres the thing.....when they do the sound tests they blatantly ramped up the dB's....why? Because they could...cause they were the only stages on....Breaks tent sounded amazing when they were testing....but never got to those levels again.

There was someone on here from Glade I think commenting that they had people with meters in the outlying areas and that stages had to be turned down due to an accumulative affect of the sound from the stages....of which I'm sure the overkill was the main one they turned down.

Also Liquid was quite a bit away from the other stages so in theory should have been able to be a bit louder....but trust me on this the sound was fucking atrocious on the sunday.....but hey what do I know I was only having a chat with 3 people without raising my voice! This seems to have got off on a lets take the piss out of people who dare to citicise Glade route.....which is out of order, people like myslef have paid and went to four Glades....Ive travelled 7 hours each way 4 years....and I know what I've experienced at each and every one....and trust me on this...the sound has got worse each year!

But if you want to be sitting round a ghetto blaster in a few years time thats up to you....but hey at least it'll be at Wasing!

And as Ive said before this was my favourite Glade....I merely commented on the fact that organisers singled out the sound as being a highlight, which for me was way off the mark! I dont thnk you need a topic which is basically started with a rhetorical question!

[TangentGirl]

Good points well put chopper!

[admin]

pychoacoustics my arse...

if i can talk easily to te person next to me, it's too quiet. End of.

If psychoacoustics was really a fator, then why doesn't it seem quiet in clubs when you're grumpy? Sounds like rampant bollox to me, I'm afraid.

Only trying to find possible explanations why such a small number of people have had such a big issue with it. If it's not hearing issues or the very well-known, scientifically-established link between human emotions and hearing, then maybe those people are just moaners or maybe everyone else is just wrong. *shrug*

Oh, and Chopper, it was a question because it was a poll, that's all.

[TangentGirl]

It's called an opinion because I don't give a rats ass whether anyone agrees with me or not. I think it was too quiet.

I'd have thought being able to chat in the tents suggested good hearing, not bad?

I've never heard (bu dum tish) of psychoacoustics before, and tbh it smack of pseudo-science bullshit. I may be wrong on that too, but I am not going to blindly believe it because some guy in a labcoat tells me to. To suggest anything connected to something as unquantifiable and transitory as human emotion can ever be concrete is ridiculous, and I'd be hightly suspicious of anythign that told you otherwise. S'just my opinion. *shrug*

[Chopper]

pychoacoustics my arse...

if i can talk easily to te person next to me, it's too quiet. End of.

If psychoacoustics was really a fator, then why doesn't it seem quiet in clubs when you're grumpy? Sounds like rampant bollox to me, I'm afraid.

Only trying to find possible explanations why such a small number of people have had such a big issue with it. If it's not hearing issues or the very well-known, scientifically-established link between human emotions and hearing, then maybe those people are just moaners or maybe everyone else is just wrong. *shrug*

Oh, and Chopper, it was a question because it was a poll, that's all.

You have to admit its a rhetorical question? Whats the point in asking that question? Its a Glade forum innit....of course the people on here will go....so for me yes its a question.....but its defo a rhetorical one! Its a blatant piss take....especially when you come out with psychacoustic pish, and the sound test was good, so it must have been for the rest of the festival nonsense! Sorry to pick on your comments Sperge but those are the ones that stick out.....people have a right to comment on these things as they are what they experienced...whether people agree with them or not!!!

[shakyjane]

I get the slight feeling sum people just dont like other people having an issue with the Glade. Dont worry people! Our comments wont make you have less of a good time....just that we think they should:

TURN THE VOLUME UP!!!!

Its not rocket science!

Nor is it up for debate whether my hearing is damaged or not...i'm a teenager...its perfectly fine! And so are my emotions!

And I wish people would quit trying to pounce on anyone who has a bad word to say about the Glade...its not festival spirited!

[admin]

You have to admit its a rhetorical question? Whats the point in asking that question?

Umm no, a rhetorical question is one that isn't intended to be answered. It was only a poll, one which had been inspired by one person who kept insisting that the Glade should leave Wasing at all costs and I genuinely wanted to see if other people felt the same way, so I don't believe it is a rhetorical question in the correct understanding of the term.

I'd have thought being able to chat in the tents suggested good hearing, not bad?

It suggests good, if they can pick out what was actually being said rather than just a general murmur.

I've never heard (bu dum tish) of psychoacoustics before, and tbh it smack of pseudo-science bullshit. I may be wrong on that too, but I am not going to blindly believe it because some guy in a labcoat tells me to. To suggest anything connected to something as unquantifiable and transitory as human emotion can ever be concrete is ridiculous, and I'd be hightly suspicious of anythign that told you otherwise. S'just my opinion. *shrug*

Google is your friend. I presume you own an iPod or an mp3 player of some sort? They rely on a highly practical application of psychoacoustics - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacou ... n_software

As I said, I'm only trying to work out why a relatively small proportion of people are having such a big issue with it, when most people seemed to be fine with it apart from in the Overkill where it was a known issue. I was just trying to find possible explanations for their griping other than them just enjoying a good moan, i.e. I was making allowances for you. So if we give you the benefit of the doubt and eliminate those allowances, that leaves you with... enjoying a good moan.

I was for many years a hi-fi buff and would have a bit of a hissy fit if an expensive system wasn't sounding just right, then come back a few hours later and find it wasn't sounding so bad after all - the human mind is extremely complex and hearing things as shit sound when in certain moods is something I learned about long ago. I also came to realise that I was listening to the system rather than the music. At Glade, I was too busy enjoying the music and the vibe to notice any particular issues with the sound (Overkill excepted on a couple of occasions).

While I find it very touching that three mates choose to come on here at exactly the same time to back each other up on an issue that hardly anyone else gives a shit about, it doesn't seem like you have anything new to say. Bottom line is that you three had an issue with the sound, but lots of other people aren't all that bothered. Let's leave it at that, shall we?