What's gone wrong with Antiworld?

by **salx** » 10 Jul 2007, 11:35

...erm, why do we need to prove it? what for? the event has gone tits up, that much is fact!!

yes most of it's word of mouth, as this is internet. but [apparently] the artists wernt even told 'til friday there wasn't enough money to pay them. it fit's. i had a great time but could see that there were no stewards, most of the arenas had been scaled down, less than half the expected punters... that's all the proof anyone needs to see that there was huge financial troubles with it.

it's funny how MOST of the people slating it wern't even there, & are just using it as a sly excuse for a dig at psytrance.

btw eskimo himself has popped into FW for a word on it. he wern't best pleased with it either. seems what funds they had they prioritised for their crappy israeli trance side of things & stuff everyone else.

by **salx** » 10 Jul 2007, 11:44

lol! think were on the wrong side of the moon there mate! though i'm sure many of the artists booked to play or played for free or reduced rates might have summat to say. why not ask them? i was there, this is what i was told by the few remaining staff who were there.

by **spiralx** » 10 Jul 2007, 11:52

My friends used to regularly not get paid for performing at Antiworld, they used to do fire performance on the stage, most of the time Enrico would tell them he "couldn't" pay them halfway through the night. Go and check out the threads on psy-forum for plenty of other people who've had run-ins with Enrico and co, including other times when he's got the police involved when large sums of money have gone mysteriously missing or venues have been closed after Antiworld parties.

It also seems as though several of the artists on the line-up were never even asked to play at the festival... which is actually illegal as well as just blatently immoral.

by **salx** » 10 Jul 2007, 12:31

just depends on how much trouble it's worth. i don't know who got paid & who didn't vs who actually played / worked. i suspect most would put it down to bad experience & not deal with them again. small club do's are one thing but a big event puts the lid on it, alot of people losing face. funny how alot of the punters are kicking up over this, they lost fcuk all compared to people working or performing there. & what about the poor sods who gotta clean up the site? the army? environmental health?

by **alboot** » 10 Jul 2007, 13:20

salx wrote:it's very simple, antiworld do psytrance, they have a history, & to go there as a techno purist to a mainly psytrance event then get all disgruntled that their specific favourites never played, is a bit off. most people who went did so with an open mind & wern't tied to one particular genre, may have been a bit dissapointed but the event still went on

it's not false advertising, those people were booked to play but cancelled last minute due to not being paid. i think i even said so myself that the lineup looked too good to be true but i still went out of curiosity, had a great time, depite wanting to see many of the techno artist aswell.

some people are extremely difficult to please it seems.

i dont think being pissed off at going to an event were a stage full of your favorite artists are expected to play, and then all are cancelled, makes you hard to please salx, your talking utter pish mate

by **stephane** » 10 Jul 2007, 13:41

Guys, put everything in perspective.... The line-up was not what you were expecting, but it was sunny, and there was more than enough room to dance. You might feel a bit ripped-off, it probably wasn't worth the £100 (max) you might have paid if most of the acts you wanted to see were cancelled; but come on, get over it, don't go to any other Antiworld event and that's it!
The apparent lack of stewards (I found them quite present and friendly on friday and saturday) has nothing to do with any financial issue as they were volunteers who got their ticket in exchange of shifts.

There has been lots of issues, mainly the low amount of tickets sold; if you really didn't enjoyed it at all take it as a bad experience... go to Glade and enjoy it even more now that you realise how difficult it is to organise a festival.

Artist/crew not being paid is another matter and they have every right to try to get their money, but if rumors about enrico house etc.. are true it's very unlikely to get any. If it happen to the same people before, they should either have asked for (part of) their money before hand, have refused to play/work or be ready not to get paid....

by **salx** » 10 Jul 2007, 15:37

alboot wrote:
salx wrote:it's very simple, antiworld do psytrance, they have a history, & to go there as a techno purist to a mainly psytrance event then get all disgruntled that their specific favourites never played, is a bit off. most people who went did so with an open mind & wern't tied to one particular genre, may have been a bit dissapointed but the event still went on

it's not false advertising, those people were booked to play but cancelled last minute due to not being paid. i think i even said so myself that the lineup looked too good to be true but i still went out of curiosity, had a great time, depite wanting to see many of the techno artist aswell.

some people are extremely difficult to please it seems.

i dont think being pissed off at going to an event were a stage full of your favorite artists are expected to play, and then all are cancelled, makes you hard to please salx, your talking utter pish mate

i never said you wouldn't be!

point i was making is there is other music on offer, MOST people will still enjoy the festival... whereas the uber-trendy purists who went for one thing & it got cancelled, would be sitting in their tents bitching, or at the bar bitching, or just gone home, again, bitching. such a waste. other punters went with an open mind, enjoyed themselves... it's a two way thing, some can make the best of what they've got left.

by **jayjayjay** » 10 Jul 2007, 16:10

I went, had a wicked time. Great people, great atmosphere, loads of good artists still played. If anything, the lack of organisation and lack of some major artists improved the atmosphere, it seemed to bring people together. Don't know if I'll go back (assuming there's another one), but if they keep to the dates on the flyers handed round, then it's gonna be a 5 day festival next year. 5 days of serious carnage no doubt too... and hopefully another 24hr license.

by **BINGO21** » 11 Jul 2007, 07:45

not only lost his hse but spent a night in jail to

by **salx** » 11 Jul 2007, 08:03

wouldn't know about that. all i know for sure was we got a severely scaled down event as ticket sales were very poor, so many staff & acts bailed out cutting their losses. a good time was still to be had though, & in all honesty the only negative things said while i was there was the usual "there might be a few chavs about so don't leave anything in your tent"... i guess people needing pass outs to their cars, or daytrippers wanting refunds had to deal with stewards & security more than me. it's easy for me to say they should've started small but that's in retrospect, it's done & dusted. i actually feel bad for them as 070707 was a unique calendar event & it failed.

by **Bamphlet** » 11 Jul 2007, 08:09

Looks like a real shame this. I had considered going and I'm kinda glad I didn't.
Keep reading the many GOOD artists still played.....Can anyone tell me who ?

I'd have been gutted to get there finding out that the likes of Speedy J, Technasia, Blacstrobe, The Murder Boys to name a few were to play but did not.
Did any of these guys play out ?

Avid reader to this thread. Cheers.

by **Sperge** » 11 Jul 2007, 08:32

BINGO21 wrote:not only lost his hse but spent a night in jail to

Arrested, tried and sentenced all in the space of a weekend? Hmmm.

by **salx** » 11 Jul 2007, 08:33

none of those played. josh wink played for half an hour. did get to see thomas schumacher though, superb!

eskimo... hallucinogen / shpongle... son kite (not live)... james monroe... hybrid (1)... chris finke... k90... & a whole heard of people i wasn't really noting (it was all a blur!!) pretty sure mark eg aswell, in the samsara tent a whole load of harddance nutters in the booth dressed as vikings. pmsl

by **Sperge** » 11 Jul 2007, 08:35

salx wrote: in the samsara tent a whole load of harddance nutters in the booth dressed as vikings. pmsl

Did they sing about Spam?

by **salx** » 11 Jul 2007, 08:35

by **imitationleather** » 13 Jul 2007, 21:29

Well at least now when I say I think psytrance is shit people can't accuse me of having not heard any! It was being pumped in the direction of my tent 24 hours a fucking day from Thursday night. I couldn't tell whether different people were playing, or if it was just one track on repeat!

Overall I had a good time. The people there were really sound and the weather was amazing. The music itself was pretty much secondary and once I got over the fact that the festival was a shambles (they didn't lay the pipes for the water taps until late on Thursday night, for instance) I really enjoyed myself.

Would I go again? Fuck no! I don't regret going and I had some fun in the sun, but Antiworld are never getting any cash from me again.

by **Fruitypants** » 15 Jul 2007, 14:31

I went to antiworld and loved it!

There weren't loads of people, and yes there was definitely some minimal-volume techno... but the atmosphere was cool and people that stayed made the most of it! Me included!!

So there. You miserable lot.

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by **Beatmonkey** » 15 Jul 2007, 14:56

I'm sure if I'd gone I wouldve made the most of it, however I'm not a massive psy-trance fan so I don't think I wouldve enjoyed it that much, apprently pretty much everyone I wouldve gone to see didn't play, so no, I wouldn't have loved it, I woudve felt throughly ripped off, I don't think moaning a bit cos you paid £100 for an amazing looking festival and got £30's worth of psytrance makes sum1 part of a "misrable lot." Admit it, you got utterly ripped off by a shit promoter who deserves to never work again.

by **Conan the Librarian** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:10

Fruitypants wrote:I went to antiworld and loved it!

There weren't loads of people, and yes there was definitely some minimal-volume techno... but the atmosphere was cool and people that stayed made the most of it! Me included!!

So there. You miserable lot.

Welcome Fruitypants. You tell 'em. If you had a good time, good for you.

I can understand why others were pissed off tho

by **Fruitypants** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:48

Beatmonkey wrote:I'm sure if I'd gone I wouldve made the most of it, however I'm not a massive psy-trance fan so I don't think I wouldve enjoyed it that much, apprently pretty much everyone I wouldve gone to see didn't play, so no, I wouldn't have loved it, I woudve felt throughly ripped off, I don't think moaning a bit cos you paid £100 for an amazing looking festival and got £30's worth of psytrance makes sum1 part of a "misrable lot." Admit it, you got utterly ripped off by a shit promoter who deserves to never work again.

Well i actually spent most of my time listening to what techno i could hear, laughing at psytrance, slurping other peoples cider and having happy times with fish seeks bicycle... so there! Oh, and i only paid £70 for my ticket :-)

by **Fruitypants** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:52

Actually, i do understand why people would have been pissed off, and most of the acts i wanted to see were cancelled too... but the sun was shining and there were plenty of happy people mooching about...

by **salx** » 15 Jul 2007, 17:26

imitationleather wrote:Well at least now when I say I think psytrance is shit people can't accuse me of having not heard any! It was being pumped in the direction of my tent 24 hours a fucking day from Thursday night.

er, they were all late, the first being the main tent (nearest the funfair) at 4am on friday, playing prog-trance. the actual psy-trance started about midday friday on the outdoor stage.

i was a bit disapointed myself with the lack of variety though. had to walk off the outdoors when they psy started having rock guitar or israeli asperations (not slating israel just israeli trance) but coming back for hallucinogen & shpongle among others.

was wicked though, all good vibes despite not really feeling like a festival, more like a big club night weekend outdoors - if that makes any sense

not hearing how bad it was for people until i came home!

have to say though, thomas schumacher ist got!!

by **quincy** » 19 Jul 2007, 08:47

imitationleather wrote:Well at least now when I say I think psytrance is shit people can't accuse me of having not heard any! It was being pumped in the direction of my tent 24 hours a fucking day from Thursday night. I couldn't tell whether different people were playing, or if it was just one track on repeat!

Overall I had a good time. The people there were really sound and the weather was amazing. The music itself was pretty much secondary and once I got over the fact that the festival was a shambles (they didn't lay the pipes for the water taps until late on Thursday night, for instance) I really enjoyed myself.

Would I go again? Fuck no! I don't regret going and I had some fun in the sun, but Antiworld are never getting any cash from me again.

sorry geez your gonna have to check out more of what the scene has to offer, all the stuff that got played was of the pop variety.

this is a fact

by **ZbD** » 20 Jul 2007, 03:57

But Enricos partner Ross says he (Ross) is - this from Enricos profile on 4clubbers.net...

Ross: And I’m Ross Eden, Enrico’s partner for the last couple of years in the Antiworld events and companies, I also DJ around the place when I have time and am part of Firefly in the Midlands

http://www.4clubbers.net/modules.php?na ... le&sid=940

JD Joe wrote:
Petch wrote:I'm surprised by this as it sounds like an unmitigated disaster!

Antiworld certainly do not lack a customer base as they put firefly nights on up and down the uk. I must of received so many emails advertising the anti world festival, obviously because they were lacking tickets sales.

Maybe it is a sign of saturation as a post further up mentioned, what else could it be...

Antiworld don't put Firefly nights on, Firefly do. Firefly put on some absolutely fantastic nights and mustn't be held in any way responsible for this mess. Even they were not properly informed of the situation and consequently had to cancel over 20 acts at short notice.

by **fastnbulbous** » 20 Jul 2007, 16:48

My daughter went and said it was closed down early, supposedly because there was some illegal rubbish dumping or something. No announcement from the stage, just closed early.

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